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Yes, Gloria, something did just "click" for me. What happened was I was gaining weight and then my 49th birthday came around. I started my diet *on* my birthday – no excuses about "starting tomorrow" and said to myself, "this is my last chance to make this work while I’m still in my 40s". Of course age doesn’t matter, but it did help me to have this psychological trigger. Now, before this, I had enumerable starts and stops. I know exactly what you mean about feeling miserable and not being able to stay on a diet. In fact, during the times I fail and go off a diet I can usually tell by 3 or 4pm on any given day that "I know I’m going to go off today. I can’t face the emptiness of the limits all night. I just need the feeling of being able to eat *anything* I want just today." You know it is a very very fleeting satisfaction. And that it makes you feel miserable, but you can’t face the day without the satisfaction of (fill in your thing here – for me it is fried foods!). And it doesn’t even make you feel good physically! Here are the elements that are helping me stay on my diet this time: (1) Psychologically, facing a strict calorie limit with no room for extras or errors *forever* is just too daunting. It’s too sad. It’s too much pressure. That is why I created my "bonus calorie" system (based on something I once tried and Weight Watcher’s free points idea). I can go into this in more details if you like, but the presence of the bonus calories makes *all* the difference in the world to me. With a calorie bonus, I know there is a buffer and it removes the overwhelming sad pressure of feeling "I can’t eat any more today – which is just an endless trial – I can’t stick with this forever". With a carefully planned liberal bonus system you *can* stick with it forever, I think. Also, you should not be in too much of a rush. So it takes a year. So it takes two. The fact that you *are* dieting makes all the diference in the world. I’m sure I’m not the only person who has started off at 275 lb, lost 3 pounds and *felt lighter*, felt better about yourself knowing that you are moving in the right direction. In many senses a large part of this *is* the journey, not only the destination. (2) I finally bit the exercise bullet. I always *knew* all the reasons exercise was important. But I never could really get myself around to actually *doing* any in a consistent manner. But this time around I went and bought an exercise bicycle that shows calories used and set the thing *in front of my TV*! I’m still not doing a *lot* of exercise, but I do 20-40 minutes per day. At my weight, going at a reasonable speed, 20 minutes of cycling uses up about 220 calories. What I do then is put the following into my journal: ex 20" -220 and *deduct* those calories from what I’ve eaten that day. Which makes a huge difference! It makes me feel like I have even less pressure from the day’s calorie limits. Sometimes I even get on the bike and do another 20 minutes because I don’t want to get close to my nominal daily limit and go into the bonus calories. In other words, there becomes an incentive to do exercise – even beyond the fact that you are generally doing your body good and feel better afterwards. So what is the bottom line here? What is the executive summary of my advise so far? 1. Control calories – but in a way that you can live with *forever* by designing your calorie control in a way that doesn’t *feel* limiting. 2. Exercise – and deduct those calories from what you ate, which is a great incentive! Finally, Gloria, and I mean this – no matter how many times you have started, given up, started again and given up again. No matter what you weigh. No matter how old you are. No matter how depressed you have gotten over it. No matter how *long* the struggle ahead looks – I *know* you can start and stick with it. How do I know? Because – I mean this – if *I* can *anybody* can! Honestly! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Doug, I’m TRYING to get motivation AFTER a good loss but just CAN’T get started again. Now I’m TOO HIGH on the scale but HOW to turn around to be losing as you ARE doing now:) Did something just "CLICK" for you and thus you begun to lose? I NEED to get myself turned around NOW! I’m miserable! YOU are doing VERY WELL CONGRATS! glo
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Hi, Doug, Nice Work! Take Care Catherine
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
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Hey Doug, I’m TRYING to get motivation AFTER a good loss but just CAN’T get started again. Now I’m TOO HIGH on the scale but HOW to turn around to be losing as you ARE doing now:) Did something just "CLICK" for you and thus you begun to lose? I NEED to get myself turned around NOW! I’m miserable! YOU are doing VERY WELL CONGRATS! glo
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Congratulations on another milestone! It must feel great to be back at your lowest weight of a few years ago. Beverly
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
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A great loss, Doug! Congratulations. Keep up the great work. Elaine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
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A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end!
Great progress Doug – well done. janice
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Doug — EXCELLENT!!! Don’t change a thing! Super! Yours, Caleb
Thanks everybody! I won’t!
doug
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Doug — EXCELLENT!!! Don’t change a thing! Super! Yours, Caleb
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
You’re doing great, Doug — congratulations on your latest milestone! Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Good going Doug. Keep on that plan of yours
. — Lesanne
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
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A good week altogether, losing 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb and reaching the major milestone for me of getting below 110 kg! That means I have less than 10 kg to go before I am in double-digits. I hope I can get there before year’s end! Historically speaking, I’m now at my lowest weight in almost 5 years, below what I was in November of 2000 when I visited New York for some business. At that time I was gaining weight, but now I’m moving in the opposite direction. My method: Low-cal plus exercise – 1700 calories/day limit plus 1000 weekly bonus calories (avoids frustration of strict daily limit); can carryover leftover calories to next day (add to bonus); can subtract logged exercise calories from daily calorie intake (an incentive to exercise); bonus is reset each Friday to 1000 + anything leftover from 1700×7 calories from the week before. Latest numbers: Days on diet: 98 Weight (kg): 125.0 – 109.6 (15.4 kg lost!) MILESTONE! Under 110 kg! Weight (lb): 275.0 – 241.1 (33.9 lb lost!) Weight loss this week: 1.4 kg = 3.1 lb Lb/Week average loss: 2.42 BMI: 41.3 – 36.2 Percent body mass lost: 12.3% Percent done to goal of 79 kg: 33% doug
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Gloria, something did just "click" for me. What happened was I was gaining weight and then my 49th birthday came around. I started my diet *on* my birthday – no excuses about "starting tomorrow" and said to myself, "this is my last chance to make this work while I’m still in my 40s". Of course age doesn’t matter, but it did help me to have this psychological trigger. Now, before this, I had enumerable starts and stops. I know exactly what you mean about feeling miserable and not being able to stay on a diet. In fact, during the times I fail and go off a diet I can usually tell by 3 or 4pm on any given day that "I know I’m going to go off today. I can’t face the emptiness of the limits all night. I just need the feeling of being able to eat *anything* I want just today." You know it is a very very fleeting satisfaction. And that it makes you feel miserable, but you can’t face the day without the satisfaction of (fill in your thing here – for me it is fried foods!). And it doesn’t even make you feel good physically! Here are the elements that are helping me stay on my diet this time: (1) Psychologically, facing a strict calorie limit with no room for extras or errors *forever* is just too daunting. It’s too sad. It’s too much pressure. That is why I created my "bonus calorie" system (based on something I once tried and Weight Watcher’s free points idea). I can go into this in more details if you like, but the presence of the bonus calories makes *all* the difference in the world to me. With a calorie bonus, I know there is a buffer and it removes the overwhelming sad pressure of feeling "I can’t eat any more today – which is just an endless trial – I can’t stick with this forever". With a carefully planned liberal bonus system you *can* stick with it forever, I think. Also, you should not be in too much of a rush. So it takes a year. So it takes two. The fact that you *are* dieting makes all the diference in the world. I’m sure I’m not the only person who has started off at 275 lb, lost 3 pounds and *felt lighter*, felt better about yourself knowing that you are moving in the right direction. In many senses a large part of this *is* the journey, not only the destination. (2) I finally bit the exercise bullet. I always *knew* all the reasons exercise was important. But I never could really get myself around to actually *doing* any in a consistent manner. But this time around I went and bought an exercise bicycle that shows calories used and set the thing *in front of my TV*! I’m still not doing a *lot* of exercise, but I do 20-40 minutes per day. At my weight, going at a reasonable speed, 20 minutes of cycling uses up about 220 calories. What I do then is put the following into my journal: ex 20" -220 and *deduct* those calories from what I’ve eaten that day. Which makes a huge difference! It makes me feel like I have even less pressure from the day’s calorie limits. Sometimes I even get on the bike and do another 20 minutes because I don’t want to get close to my nominal daily limit and go into the bonus calories. In other words, there becomes an incentive to do exercise – even beyond the fact that you are generally doing your body good and feel better afterwards. So what is the bottom line here? What is the executive summary of my advise so far? 1. Control calories – but in a way that you can live with *forever* by designing your calorie control in a way that doesn’t *feel* limiting. 2. Exercise – and deduct those calories from what you ate, which is a great incentive! Finally, Gloria, and I mean this – no matter how many times you have started, given up, started again and given up again. No matter what you weigh. No matter how old you are. No matter how depressed you have gotten over it. No matter how *long* the struggle ahead looks – I *know* you can start and stick with it. How do I know? Because – I mean this – if *I* can *anybody* can! Honestly! Nice post, Doug. As I was reading I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between your approach to weightloss and the methods of successful dieters in "Thin for Life". Beverly
Espcecially not letting past failure deter you from trying again. — the volleyballchick
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Gloria, something did just "click" for me. What happened was I was gaining weight and then my 49th birthday came around. I started my diet *on* my birthday – no excuses about "starting tomorrow" and said to myself, "this is my last chance to make this work while I’m still in my 40s". Of course age doesn’t matter, but it did help me to have this psychological trigger. Now, before this, I had enumerable starts and stops. I know exactly what you mean about feeling miserable and not being able to stay on a diet. In fact, during the times I fail and go off a diet I can usually tell by 3 or 4pm on any given day that "I know I’m going to go off today. I can’t face the emptiness of the limits all night. I just need the feeling of being able to eat *anything* I want just today." You know it is a very very fleeting satisfaction. And that it makes you feel miserable, but you can’t face the day without the satisfaction of (fill in your thing here – for me it is fried foods!). And it doesn’t even make you feel good physically! Here are the elements that are helping me stay on my diet this time: (1) Psychologically, facing a strict calorie limit with no room for extras or errors *forever* is just too daunting. It’s too sad. It’s too much pressure. That is why I created my "bonus calorie" system (based on something I once tried and Weight Watcher’s free points idea). I can go into this in more details if you like, but the presence of the bonus calories makes *all* the difference in the world to me. With a calorie bonus, I know there is a buffer and it removes the overwhelming sad pressure of feeling "I can’t eat any more today – which is just an endless trial – I can’t stick with this forever". With a carefully planned liberal bonus system you *can* stick with it forever, I think. Also, you should not be in too much of a rush. So it takes a year. So it takes two. The fact that you *are* dieting makes all the diference in the world. I’m sure I’m not the only person who has started off at 275 lb, lost 3 pounds and *felt lighter*, felt better about yourself knowing that you are moving in the right direction. In many senses a large part of this *is* the journey, not only the destination. (2) I finally bit the exercise bullet. I always *knew* all the reasons exercise was important. But I never could really get myself around to actually *doing* any in a consistent manner. But this time around I went and bought an exercise bicycle that shows calories used and set the thing *in front of my TV*! I’m still not doing a *lot* of exercise, but I do 20-40 minutes per day. At my weight, going at a reasonable speed, 20 minutes of cycling uses up about 220 calories. What I do then is put the following into my journal: ex 20" -220 and *deduct* those calories from what I’ve eaten that day. Which makes a huge difference! It makes me feel like I have even less pressure from the day’s calorie limits. Sometimes I even get on the bike and do another 20 minutes because I don’t want to get close to my nominal daily limit and go into the bonus calories. In other words, there becomes an incentive to do exercise – even beyond the fact that you are generally doing your body good and feel better afterwards. So what is the bottom line here? What is the executive summary of my advise so far? 1. Control calories – but in a way that you can live with *forever* by designing your calorie control in a way that doesn’t *feel* limiting. 2. Exercise – and deduct those calories from what you ate, which is a great incentive! Finally, Gloria, and I mean this – no matter how many times you have started, given up, started again and given up again. No matter what you weigh. No matter how old you are. No matter how depressed you have gotten over it. No matter how *long* the struggle ahead looks – I *know* you can start and stick with it. How do I know? Because – I mean this – if *I* can *anybody* can! Honestly!
Nice post, Doug. As I was reading I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between your approach to weightloss and the methods of successful dieters in "Thin for Life". Beverly
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Nice post, Doug. As I was reading I couldn’t help but notice the similarities between your approach to weightloss and the methods of successful dieters in "Thin for Life". Beverly Espcecially not letting past failure deter you from trying again.
Oh, absolutely. This is my 15th week of successful dieting, having started on June 3rd. Before that I started and went off my diet within a matter of days (sometimes the same day!) – and rebounded weight – no less than 10 times this year. This is by far the longest I’ve managed to stay on the diet and, fortunately, I am not feeling tempted to go off yet. I’m sure that the feedback in this group helps. If you fail you have two choices: 1. Give up and get so fat you can’t move any more and you are depressed and eventually die young or 2. Try again (and again and again if necessary), hopefully learning from the past failed attempts and tweaking things until you find a way that works for you, that you can live with forever. There are no limits to the number of times you should keep trying. Each time you learn something new and each time you try it means you are bringing out the very best in yourself and attempting to improve your health and life. There are no limits to doing that! doug
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Doug, THANKS very much! I AM trying again! I KEEP trying. I do agree with EVERYTHING that you have said here but…… Here is the but
I can not exercize for now but I do SOME while in remission with ms. I gained weight recently while OUT of remission . It was saddness like you mention about not eating ETC and the saddness that goes with this. I APPRECIATE your post!!!!!!!
Good luck, Gloria. And keep trying. As for exercise – do what you can, if you can. I don’t know what the issues are with MS, but I hear that even fidgeting in your chair uses up calories! We overweight people seem to be very good at being efficiently motionless, naturally conserving every calorie of energy. Try to be as wasteful as possible.
doug
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I can NOT count my cals OR I STOP completely !! It has been like this FOREVER but I just stopped eating after a small amount of my meals! This worked for 100 LB loss which was off for 20 years (I gained about 15 but now it’s more) So I know I CAN! Rats, I just can’t get on the band wagon again. But I’m TRYING AGAIN! AND AGAIN! I WILL do ths as I HATED the OVER 250’s
I HAVE NOT GONE to 200’s though close! I was wondering if LowCarb has been either Doug’s plan or Cris’ plan? I KIND of try to keep a bit Low Carb. Thanks for the HELP
glo
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Chris, thank you! I HOPE that I do not repeat myself but do you count cals? I pretty-muchKNOW how many I am getting! I’m on day 2 of TRYING to get on my WOE !!! glo
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Great report, Chris. You are an ideal model because you not only went from obese to slender, you have kept it off too. Great! doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <really good advice snipped, because I’m sure Gloria already read it I just wanted to say I agree with everything Doug said here. I also had a time when things just sort of "clicked" and I felt like I needed to do something. And, like Doug, I designed an approach (albeit less structured than his) that allowed me to splurge periodically. For me, it would be hard to face life knowing I could never have some foods, but knowing I can have them occasionally makes it possible for me to resist them most of the time. (My approach is more to allow myself to splurge on some — not all — of the occasions when I dine out or go to parties, rather than in a more structured way like Doug does.) Also, like Doug, I didn’t worry much about how long it took to lose weight. Every pound down was a change for the good, wherever it took me in the long run. Also, like Doug, I made exercise a part of my life. What was and has been important for me is always **knowing** that, even if I allow myself to get off track for a few days, I will always go back to my chosen way of life. In fact, after I was about 3 months into my new eating plan — and down about 20 pounds — I went on to Germany for a week-long wine education course, with all meals included. I chose to enjoy everything that was offered — not pigging out and eating extra desserts and such, but not denying myself anything. I came home about 2 pounds heavier but immediately got back to my WOL and was down 5 pounds by the next week. (That was the only time in the past 3+ years that I didn’t keep my food log up — it was just too complicated with all the wine tastings and accompanying snacks — I just picked it up when I got back home.) Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Doug, THANKS very much! I AM trying again! I KEEP trying. I do agree with EVERYTHING that you have said here but…… Here is the but
I can not exercize for now but I do SOME while in remission with ms. I gained weight recently while OUT of remission . It was saddness like you mention about not eating ETC and the saddness that goes with this. I APPRECIATE your post!!!!!!! glo
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I can NOT count my cals OR I STOP completely !! It has been like this FOREVER but I just stopped eating after a small amount of my meals! This worked for 100 LB loss which was off for 20 years (I gained about 15 but now it’s more) So I know I CAN! Rats, I just can’t get on the band wagon again. But I’m TRYING AGAIN! AND AGAIN! I WILL do ths as I HATED the OVER 250’s
I HAVE NOT GONE to 200’s though close! I was wondering if LowCarb has been either Doug’s plan or Cris’ plan? I KIND of try to keep a bit Low Carb.
My approach isn’t particularly low carb. I try to keep protein fairly high and to eat mostly "good" carbs (whole grains, veggies, fruit) and "good" fats (nuts, good oils), but I’m not too strict about limiting any particular thing. Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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<really good advice snipped, because I’m sure Gloria already read it I just wanted to say I agree with everything Doug said here. I also had a time when things just sort of "clicked" and I felt like I needed to do something. And, like Doug, I designed an approach (albeit less structured than his) that allowed me to splurge periodically. For me, it would be hard to face life knowing I could never have some foods, but knowing I can have them occasionally makes it possible for me to resist them most of the time. (My approach is more to allow myself to splurge on some — not all — of the occasions when I dine out or go to parties, rather than in a more structured way like Doug does.) Also, like Doug, I didn’t worry much about how long it took to lose weight. Every pound down was a change for the good, wherever it took me in the long run. Also, like Doug, I made exercise a part of my life. What was and has been important for me is always **knowing** that, even if I allow myself to get off track for a few days, I will always go back to my chosen way of life. In fact, after I was about 3 months into my new eating plan — and down about 20 pounds — I went on to Germany for a week-long wine education course, with all meals included. I chose to enjoy everything that was offered — not pigging out and eating extra desserts and such, but not denying myself anything. I came home about 2 pounds heavier but immediately got back to my WOL and was down 5 pounds by the next week. (That was the only time in the past 3+ years that I didn’t keep my food log up — it was just too complicated with all the wine tastings and accompanying snacks — I just picked it up when I got back home.) Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Duh, Chris, SORRY!! I DO see your daily reports:) I look OFTEN at these! I’m on day 3
I’m down 3 lbs which is WONDERFUL! I KNOW I KNOW that it is WATER! I DO NOT CARE:) I’m ROLLING NOW!! glo
Way to go, Glo! Keep posting, and keep up your enthusiasm! You can do it! Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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Duh, Chris, SORRY!! I DO see your daily reports:) I look OFTEN at these! I’m on day 3
I’m down 3 lbs which is WONDERFUL! I KNOW I KNOW that it is WATER! I DO NOT CARE:) I’m ROLLING NOW!! glo
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Before you even consider low-carb, let me fill you in on my own diet history since 1998. Been there, done that. In 1998 I started a low-calorie diet similar to what I am doing now, but more restrictive, and knowing a lot less than I do now. I stayed on in 700 days and lost over 100 lb and then completely lost my will power and gained almost all of it back – getting back up to 131 kg! It was very depressing and I am constantly worrying in the back of my mind that something like that will happen again. A couple of years ago I tried strict vegan ultra low fat – the Dean Ornish diet. I did lose some weight, but it was too restrictive for me to be a diet forever. As some people have said, "Does the Ornish diet really help you live longer, or does it just SEEM longer?"
Then I discovered Atkins and thought I found Valhalla! I went on it and the first 3-6 months were wonderful, I dropped a lot of weight and became a real low-carb convert – practically a missionary. But after dropping about 30 lbs I, like so many people, began running into those endless stalls and plateaus. And the advice you get from other low-carbers is bewilderingly confusing: eat more, eat less, eat more protein, eat less protein, lower your carb intake, increase your carb intake. There is even the suggestion of the 1,000 calorie/day "fat fast" to break stalls. I realized, as so many other people do, that Atkins is basically "smoke and mirrors". The main advantage of reducing carbs is that it *does* reduce your appetite. That is why I was able to painlessly drop my initial weight. I naturally ate less. Unfortunately for me – and for most very overweight people – the natural reduction in appetite you get from low-carbing is not enough to bring you down to your goal weight. The bottom line is this – conservation of energy *is* true. If you eat less than your body uses up you will lose weight. If you eat more, you will gain weight. Even over at the Atkins support group most people admit that. Low-fat, low-carb, weight watchers – all of these diets are ways to get at the same thing: reducing the number of calories you intake. That is why calorie counting is the most *reliable* way of consistently losing weight. Calorie counting also gives you the most variety. With Atkins you end up craving all the foods you cannot eat – the breads, the pastas, the fruits, etc. I’ve been there and done that and I can assure you that with Atkins you basically end up not being able to eat 99% of things sold in the supermarket. It is, despite the propoganda, extremely limiting. Dull as dishwater. Did you know that there are almost 2 net carbs (carbs minus fiber) in one teaspoon of garlic powder? If you really follow Atkins to the letter you even have to be highly restrictive of how you spice what little variety of food you CAN eat! Now I realize that not everybody can stay on every diet. I need "journaling" to make sure that I stay on my diet. But if you feel more comfortable with not counting calories and like the "open and free" feel of low-carbing, how about trying the Weight Watchers "Core Foods" diet. It’s simple and a LOT less restrictive than Atkins. And while it is not low carb it does seem to be more carb balanced, emphasizing low glycemic index foods. Just eat *until you are satisfied* from the Core Foods: http://lerner.net/diet/wwcoreplan.htm You can also eat a certain amount of bonus "points" (comes to about 1500 calories) from foods not on the list per week. How about trying something like that if counting calories is too hard? Just a thought, doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can NOT count my cals OR I STOP completely !! It has been like this FOREVER but I just stopped eating after a small amount of my meals! This worked for 100 LB loss which was off for 20 years (I gained about 15 but now it’s more) So I know I CAN! Rats, I just can’t get on the band wagon again. But I’m TRYING AGAIN! AND AGAIN! I WILL do ths as I HATED the OVER 250’s
I HAVE NOT GONE to 200’s though close! I was wondering if LowCarb has been either Doug’s plan or Cris’ plan? I KIND of try to keep a bit Low Carb. Thanks for the HELP
glo
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Chris, thank you! I HOPE that I do not repeat myself but do you count cals? I pretty-muchKNOW how many I am getting! I’m on day 2 of TRYING to get on my WOE !!! glo
Yes, I count calories. I don’t know if you’ve ever noticed my "Food & Exercise" messages that I post each day, but in each of those I give my calorie count for the day the breakdown into fats, carbs, & protein. I try to average around 1600 calories per day. (I do get a fair bit of exercise. Since you’re not able to get much exercise, I expect that might be a bit high for you. But a calorie-counting approach can work very well if you are willing to take the time to do it.) Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004
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