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From the context I think he was trying for "gather". It’s all the right letters too.

Ah, you’re right. I adore crossword puzzles but I’ve never been good at Jumbles….. hee hee Unless he’s just trying to be funny it seems (from the dichotomy between his coherent posts and ones like the one above) that he really *is* drinking.

Think you’re right there again. Explains everything including why he is still under the impression that if he just posts one more time someone will take him seriously.

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Dosen’t anyone else get that Roose and Frugal are one in the same?Two assholes in one. No two people are that fucking dumb.We should congratulate him though. From the amount of his postings it seems he didn’t have to do summer school this year. Lou LC since 2/25/02 365/295/200?

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And you repost the whole thing. How about some creative snipping? Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why does eveybody answer these idiots back? Honestly!!!! You are just showing these trolls that they are getting to us. Haven’t you people heard the phrase, "ignore them and they’ll go away"???? — Serena

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Hello, From the context I think he was trying for "gather". It’s all the right letters too. Ah, you’re right. I adore crossword puzzles but I’ve never been good at Jumbles….. hee hee

All my Jumbles time stood me in good stead, finally! <G — Take care, Carmen If you want the best seat in the house, move the cat.

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Hello, recovery. Thsi thread reminds me of the stock market discusions where all teh technolgy and internet stockholders agtehr to tell each other how everything will be alright soon, they’ll recover the 99% of the money they lost lol. I can figure out most of this knucklehead’s typos, horrendous as they may be. But I have not the first clue what "agtehr" is. Closest thing I can tell from the context is a gross mangling of two words "get together" but neither one has an "A" in it.

From the context I think he was trying for "gather". It’s all the right letters too. Maybe Fruggie needs a new keyboard from mom & dad next Christmas because someone appears to have secretly rearranged all the letters on his.

Unless he’s just trying to be funny it seems (from the dichotomy between his coherent posts and ones like the one above) that he really *is* drinking. — Take care, Carmen Sacred cows make the best hamburger. — Mark Twain

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Susan, Since you are new, you don’t know…but EVERYTHING that you told ‘frugal’ has been said a million times. He and Roose and other trolls don’t give a shit about anything except trying to sound like they know something. Which they don’t. And you can’t win an argument, because that’s the whole purpose of their existence…arguing the opposite of anything. It must make up for a lack of penis size is all I can figure out. Roose is a troll for many newsgroups and I don’t know about ‘frugal’ because really, why waste my time looking? All I know is they love to egg the newbies on and the not so newbies like myself often get sucked into the banter. I must admit I do tend to answer the more stupid comments that piss me off. I must try harder to ignore them and realize that some people get their jollies on the internet instead of having a real life. I mean, look how often they post!! It’s as if they spend all freaking day on the computer! Oh well, hang in there Susan. This really is a support group. You just have to ignore the troll talk. Good luck! Jan

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Apparently you don’t know what the word "pathologically" means, "Roose." Allow me to enlighten you– http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=pathologically Now, let’s see: her diet didn’t harm her vis-a-vis the study of pathology, so definition 1 is out. Her diet didn’t harm her in a way that was relating to or caused by a disease, so definition 2 is out. And her diet didn’t harm her in a way that manifested behavior that was habitual, maladaptive, and compulsive, so definition 3 is out. I wonder what you actually meant? Please remember this the next time you try to "correct" someone else’s medical knowledge. | Just because it isn’t what your body experiences |doesn’t mean others are the same. Never said they were. | Talk about unscientific. Nothing like a |person that assumes that their personal experiences are indicative of the |rest of the population. Sorta like a person who extrapolates rather then comprehends?

Oh, dear, once again "Roose" the genius commits an elementary spelling error. See if you can find it, "Roose." T.

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..Low cal – are you serious Obviously atkins, sears, etc all "work" becuse they are low carb. Do some google searches on analysis of their reccomended menus – they are all VERY low calorie. There is no magic free lunch – its the alw of thermodynamics…a calorie is a calorie….calories consumed-calories burned = +/- weight….Obviously it seems you can eat a lot and still lose wight, but thats because of the pile you all must have been chomping back to get to that 2-300 lb girth.

Honestly, are you jealous or something? To have a program that works for people in which they do NOT have to suffer is not a bad thing! You must be someone who thinks diets should be painful in order to work. Well, this WOE isn’t the least bit hard. Sorry. This IS a magic ‘free lunch’ and it’s delicious! Yes, I believe calories do count…however…(and you keep ignoring this fact) there’s a NATURAL loss of appetite resulting from a low carb diet. Hence, lower calories! Difference being that we are not bemoaning the lack of food. Most of us have to force ourselves to eat when we are in ketosis. And, if it is so unhealthy, why should you give a shit? No one’s forcing a double cheeseburger (no bun) down your throat. So what is your problem–besides being woefully illiterate? On second thought…don’t answer that. No one really cares what you think. Except perhaps Michael(‘I-Have-No Other-Life-Outside-of-Trolling-Newsgroups’)Roose, and his dummy-er,buddy– Dr. Wang Chung. You ARE the weakest link… Goodbye! Jan

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|Here’s |my question, are you the trying to be the personal savior of this group. Why |do you care if we all have heart attacks due to delusional beliefs in a low |carb savior? Are you thin or fat? Suz That’s two questions.

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..Low cal – are you serious Obviously atkins, sears, etc all "work" becuse they are low carb.

Right. They work because they limit carbs to high-nutrient, high-fiber vegetables (instead of refined flour, etc.) Do some google searches on analysis of their reccomended menus – they are all VERY low calorie.

Frugal, you are even dumber than I thought you were (and that’s quite an achievement). A recommended Atkins menu isn’t "very low calorie" by USDA standards (I’m sure there’s some comparable Canadian thingie, too). The daily suggested menus in "Dr. Atkins’s New Diet Revolution" are 1800-2200 calories; the daily suggested menus I’ve seen in Zone and Schwarzbein materials run about the same. That’s just about the USDA recommended. There is no magic free lunch – its the alw of thermodynamics…a calorie is a calorie….calories consumed-calories burned = +/- weight….

Let’s say that you’re correct. What would be wrong with losing weight on Atkins, then, if you ate a variety of real foods (fresh vegetables, meat, chicken, fish, and dairy)? Why would it be worse than losing weight on Ornish? And wouldn’t it be *better* than gaining weight and feeling exhausted on a high-carb diet, which is the experience lots of the posters had here? Obviously it seems you can eat a lot and still lose wight, but thats because of the pile you all must have been chomping back to get to that 2-300 lb girth.

I can only speak for myself, but I know that I couldn’t eat enough high-carb low-fat food to keep my energy up while losing weight. I have no trouble with energy or weight loss in my current way of eating. You, on the other hand, seem to be developing serious cognitive and emotional problems on your way of eating. You’re obsessed with other people’s food intake; you can’t write a coherent English sentence; you’ve admitted yourself to binge drinking; and you obviously have no friends or you wouldn’t be debasing yourself to try to make friends with "Roose." Answer me if you dare, coward. T.

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recovery. Thsi thread reminds me of the stock market discusions where all teh technolgy and internet stockholders agtehr to tell each other how everything will be alright soon, they’ll recover the 99% of the money they lost lol.

I can figure out most of this knucklehead’s typos, horrendous as they may be. But I have not the first clue what "agtehr" is. Closest thing I can tell from the context is a gross mangling of two words "get together" but neither one has an "A" in it. Maybe Fruggie needs a new keyboard from mom & dad next Christmas because someone appears to have secretly rearranged all the letters on his.

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frugal Why are you spending so much time criticizing the people on this board? What concern is it to you? If Atkins or any version of low-carbing is working for them than good. Not everyone’s body works the same and that is why there are so many conflicting reports on diets. It doesn’t hurt to try it. If you cannot be supportive of people who are trying to deal with their real problems of weight loss, than please don’t post on this board. Everyone else – To those of you who spend a lot of time responding to frugal, its not worth your time. This person just wants to get a rise out of you and is obviously starved for attention if they do not have anything better to do than troll newsgroups about issues they don’t believe in. Jut ignore frugal and he-she will go away.

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I wouldn’t normally do this – but I have read your posts many times saying Atkins is Low Calorie – on what do you base this ? I have lost 56lbs on Atkins – I don’t know how many calories I consume a day but I know it’s not low because I eat, every day bacon – 3or 4 rashers sausage egg tomato steak, butter, cream, veg nuts Low cal – are you serious Please answer – I won’t to understand your reasoning

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..Low cal – are you serious

Obviously atkins, sears, etc all "work" becuse they are low carb. Do some google searches on analysis of their reccomended menus – they are all VERY low calorie. There is no magic free lunch – its the alw of thermodynamics…a calorie is a calorie….calories consumed-calories burned = +/- weight….Obviously it seems you can eat a lot and still lose wight, but thats because of the pile you all must have been chomping back to get to that 2-300 lb girth.

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Why does eveybody answer these idiots back? Honestly!!!! You are just showing these trolls that they are getting to us. Haven’t you people heard the phrase, "ignore them and they’ll go away"???? — Serena http://photos.yahoo.com/gweeble_1998 www.bored.com when you have nothing better to do

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frugal, I’m new to this group so forgive me if I’m missing something. Here’s my question, are you the trying to be the personal savior of this group. Why do you care if we all have heart attacks due to delusional beliefs in a low carb savior? Are you thin or fat? Suz IT’s amazing the length people here will go to twist *the facts* to convince everyone low carb is the holy grail. Someone in one thread posted how Ornish says sugar is fine. HELLO, have you even read the book or listened to waht the man says? Everyone jumping for joy over the "support" willet from harvard supposedly gave hsi benefactor Atkins. Uh, folks what willet says is as close to ORnish as it is to Atkins. The difference being a little Olive oil. Willet said nothing to support consuming large amount sof animal products, in fact advises against it. HE wants whole grains, fruits, veggies (Same as ORnish) and healthy Oils (Olice+fish). Of course Ornish prefers those oils t, but advises a very low amount. Willett is just saying they might not have to be severely restricted. How you pople get that this some sort of support for your Bacon+egg, double cheesebyrger pattie, cream, etc diets is beyond me. You opost study after study, ignoring all the credible ones that show you are wrong, selectively pick parts of others or ignore methodology to "prove" that you are right. Why the desperation to show how "right" you are? It looks like other then a few everyone here gets up an dsays a prayer to the great lord atkins, saviour of fatties far and wide. It looks like most don’t care for roose and me, so who are you trying to *convince* with your twisting and spinning, that you are *right*? I can only conclude that you are trying to convince yourselves. Its the onyl thing that makes sense. You so desparately want th miracle that all you can eat fat is healthy to be true so you don’t have to deal with the sendentry and glutonous lifestyle that got you here in the first place. Come on, amdit, at least to yourselves, you know this can’t be healthy. That has to be the first step on the road to recovery. Thsi thread reminds me of the stock market discusions where all teh technolgy and internet stockholders agtehr to tell each other how everything will be alright soon, they’ll recover the 99% of the money they lost lol. Try and think objectively when you read these studies. Use some common sense, it’s probably not too late. Ornish has PROVEN with a peer reviewed published study that heart disease can actually be reversed on a lwo fat diet.

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I’ve lost many times on the low-fat diets and always gained it back

Exactly, crash diets don’t work. People even lose on Atkins low calorie diet(for a while anyway), regardless of health consequences. You need lifestyle change. Nothing like a

person that assumes Exactly, so there goes 99.9% of the arguements put forward in this group. There is something to proven sceintific study though.

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| I’ve lost many times on the low-fat diets and always gained it back so |that is a stupid argument. In fact you or your crony said 95% of people do. Yep I do and I don’t have a crony. |Why did I gain it back? Because I was literally starving myself, light |headed, uncomfortable, unable to sleep – awake at night. . . So, you’re |saying that is good. Didn’t kill you or harm you pathologically. | Just because it isn’t what your body experiences |doesn’t mean others are the same. Never said they were. | Talk about unscientific. Nothing like a |person that assumes that their personal experiences are indicative of the |rest of the population. Sorta like a person who extrapolates rather then comprehends?

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|Well, there’s something we can all agree on. Now the real question is why |the two of you feel the need to continually post where you are clearly not |welcome. Why is it necessary to be part of the club, the clique, to post? |This isn’t the diet debate forum. O yes it is and we are doing it right now. | It’s alt.SUPPORT.diet.low-carb, where |those of having made informed decisions, would like to exchange recipes, |goals, results, etc. If you want to debate diets, nothing is stopping you |from creating a new newsgroup. Nothing to stop us from doing it here either. |The rest of us will respect your new newsgroup and not post off topic |argumentative threads. Please give us the same respect. I give what I get.

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So, apparently there is no room for bodies being different. We are all the same? I’ve lost many times on the low-fat diets and always gained it back so that is a stupid argument. In fact you or your crony said 95% of people do. Why did I gain it back? Because I was literally starving myself, light headed, uncomfortable, unable to sleep – awake at night. . . So, you’re saying that is good. Just because it isn’t what your body experiences doesn’t mean others are the same. Talk about unscientific. Nothing like a person that assumes that their personal experiences are indicative of the rest of the population. Suz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |Ornish |has PROVEN with a peer reviewed published study that heart disease can |actually be reversed on a lwo fat diet. I guess Ornish had time to make sure HIS diet was properly studied. Until Atkins does, his high sat fat approach is dangerous and his diet nothing more than one other way to nearly guarantee your yo-yo return to an unhealthy, shortened life.

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IT’s amazing the length people here will go to twist *the facts* to convince everyone low carb is the holy grail.

Are you *completely* oblivious to the number of incorrect "facts" fueling your posts that have been pointed out to you? The last person on the newsgroup who gives a damn about facts shouldn’t be lecturing anyone on facts.

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| It looks like most don’t care for roose and me, so who are you |trying to *convince* with your twisting and spinning, that you are |*right*? | |I can only conclude that you are trying to convince yourselves. Its |the onyl thing that makes sense. You so desparately want th miracle |that all you can eat fat is healthy to be true so you don’t have to |deal with the sendentry and glutonous lifestyle that got you here in |the first place. There are certainly many here who fit that description. They are working hard and long to justify their high sat fat approaches while seeking the easiest, most convenient, path to getting skinny. It’s so paradoxical, it’s plain hilarious. | Come on, amdit, at least to yourselves, you know |this can’t be healthy. That has to be the first step on the road to |recovery. May be it is but it’s not going to happen here. The closed minded want SUPPORT and others with which to enjoy their intellectual seclusion. Voila, asdl-c. |Ornish |has PROVEN with a peer reviewed published study that heart disease can |actually be reversed on a lwo fat diet. I guess Ornish had time to make sure HIS diet was properly studied. Until Atkins does, his high sat fat approach is dangerous and his diet nothing more than one other way to nearly guarantee your yo-yo return to an unhealthy, shortened life.

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"It looks like most don’t care for roose and me" Well, there’s something we can all agree on. Now the real question is why the two of you feel the need to continually post where you are clearly not welcome. This isn’t the diet debate forum. It’s alt.SUPPORT.diet.low-carb, where those of having made informed decisions, would like to exchange recipes, goals, results, etc. If you want to debate diets, nothing is stopping you from creating a new newsgroup. The rest of us will respect your new newsgroup and not post off topic argumentative threads. Please give us the same respect.

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Frugal, I’m new to this group so forgive me if I’m missing something. Here’s my question, are you the trying to be the personal savior of this group. Why do you care if we all have heart attacks due to delusional beliefs in a low carb savior? Are you thin or fat? Suz

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IT’s amazing the length people here will go to twist *the facts* to convince everyone low carb is the holy grail. Someone in one thread posted how Ornish says sugar is fine. HELLO, have you even read the book or listened to waht the man says? Everyone jumping for joy over the "support" willet from harvard supposedly gave hsi benefactor Atkins. Uh, folks what willet says is as close to ORnish as it is to Atkins. The difference being a little Olive oil. Willet said nothing to support consuming large amount sof animal products, in fact advises against it. HE wants whole grains, fruits, veggies (Same as ORnish) and healthy Oils (Olice+fish). Of course Ornish prefers those oils t, but advises a very low amount. Willett is just saying they might not have to be severely restricted. How you pople get that this some sort of support for your Bacon+egg, double cheesebyrger pattie, cream, etc diets is beyond me. You opost study after study, ignoring all the credible ones that show you are wrong, selectively pick parts of others or ignore methodology to "prove" that you are right. Why the desperation to show how "right" you are? It looks like other then a few everyone here gets up an dsays a prayer to the great lord atkins, saviour of fatties far and wide. It looks like most don’t care for roose and me, so who are you trying to *convince* with your twisting and spinning, that you are *right*? I can only conclude that you are trying to convince yourselves. Its the onyl thing that makes sense. You so desparately want th miracle that all you can eat fat is healthy to be true so you don’t have to deal with the sendentry and glutonous lifestyle that got you here in the first place. Come on, amdit, at least to yourselves, you know this can’t be healthy. That has to be the first step on the road to recovery. Thsi thread reminds me of the stock market discusions where all teh technolgy and internet stockholders agtehr to tell each other how everything will be alright soon, they’ll recover the 99% of the money they lost lol. Try and think objectively when you read these studies. Use some common sense, it’s probably not too late. Ornish has PROVEN with a peer reviewed published study that heart disease can actually be reversed on a lwo fat diet.

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IT’s amazing the length people here will go to twist *the facts* to convince everyone low carb is the holy grail. Someone in one thread posted how Ornish says sugar is fine. HELLO, have you even read the book or listened to waht the man says? Everyone jumping for joy over the "support" willet from harvard supposedly gave hsi benefactor Atkins. Uh, folks what willet says is as close to ORnish as it is to Atkins. The difference being a little Olive oil. Willet said nothing to support consuming large amount sof animal products, in fact advises against it. HE wants whole grains, fruits, veggies (Same as ORnish) and healthy Oils (Olice+fish). Of course Ornish prefers those oils t, but advises a very low amount. Willett is just saying they might not have to be severely restricted. How you pople get that this some sort of support for your Bacon+egg, double cheesebyrger pattie, cream, etc diets is beyond me. You opost study after study, ignoring all the credible ones that show you are wrong, selectively pick parts of others or ignore methodology to "prove" that you are right. Why the desperation to show how "right" you are? It looks like other then a few everyone here gets up an dsays a prayer to the great lord atkins, saviour of fatties far and wide. It looks like most don’t care for roose and me, so who are you trying to *convince* with your twisting and spinning, that you are *right*? I can only conclude that you are trying to convince yourselves. Its the onyl thing that makes sense. You so desparately want th miracle that all you can eat fat is healthy to be true so you don’t have to deal with the sendentry and glutonous lifestyle that got you here in the first place. Come on, amdit, at least to yourselves, you know this can’t be healthy. That has to be the first step on the road to recovery. Thsi thread reminds me of the stock market discusions where all teh technolgy and internet stockholders agtehr to tell each other how everything will be alright soon, they’ll recover the 99% of the money they lost lol. Try and think objectively when you read these studies. Use some common sense, it’s probably not too late. Ornish has PROVEN with a peer reviewed published study that heart disease can actually be reversed on a lwo fat diet.

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