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23:17:57 Tue, 22 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights You edited your quotes wrong; I did not post what you have attributed to me above. That was zaman’s post; you deleted my response and his signature.
Oops; sorry! 
Actually, it looks like his original post never made it to my PC, strangely enough. Oh, well: hopefully he will read it all anyway. — London, UK Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk Diet Success: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk/diet.htm Mobile Phone Ring Tones: http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin
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|| 01:09:05 Mon, 21 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights ||||| 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small ||||| amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is ||||| only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, ||||| to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will ||||| suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably ||||| stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely ||||| cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ||||| ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, ||||| i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake ||||| of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i ||||| should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly ||||| proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will ||||| the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly ||||| protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, ||||| but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to ||||| life-stress and comfort eating. || || || I don’t know what your goals are, but the words "severely cut-back || on my carbs" give the impression that you might be on the wrong || track. Severe dieting is intrinsically problematic in lots of ways || (particularly health-wise and in your ability to maintain it, not to || mention how || depressing it can be to your self-esteem when you encounter || problems): || my suggestion is that you try a milder version. || || Have a look at my diet page (link in my sig below); this is what I || did || and it worked, and is still working for me, two years later. || || — || "bin") London, UK Home Page: || http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk Diet Success: || http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk/diet.htm Mobile Phone Ring || Tones: http://www.ringamoby.com || || "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin You edited your quotes wrong; I did not post what you have attributed to me above. That was zaman’s post; you deleted my response and his signature. — Peter Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo
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Hi again. Sorry for the misunderstanding, i did not mean I used 10,000 calories per day, but meant 10 000 kilojoules, or whatever the other form of measuring energy is, which is roughly 4 times as large as kilocalories. Here is a link to the article concering alcohol and weight loss, the part which got me very worried was where it said even a small amount of vodka can lead to about a 73% drop in the metabloic rate: http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/alcohol.htm I’d welcome all thoughts on this article, because I’ve read some intelligent people in Google groups saying alcohol does not have that much of a negative effect on weight loss, as long as you do a lot of exercise and restrict you other calories. Thanks and bye friends.
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01:09:05 Mon, 21 Mar 2005misc.fitness.weights ||1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of || carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the || initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, || very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom || restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However || what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but || this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb || diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly || protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more || than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. || Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight || loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating || mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % || protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to || life-stress and comfort eating.
I don’t know what your goals are, but the words "severely cut-back on my carbs" give the impression that you might be on the wrong track. Severe dieting is intrinsically problematic in lots of ways (particularly health-wise and in your ability to maintain it, not to mention how depressing it can be to your self-esteem when you encounter problems): my suggestion is that you try a milder version. Have a look at my diet page (link in my sig below); this is what I did and it worked, and is still working for me, two years later. — London, UK Home Page: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk Diet Success: http://www.tucana.demon.co.uk/diet.htm Mobile Phone Ring Tones: http://www.ringamoby.com "Everything I do and say with anyone makes a difference." Gita Bellin
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I want to make some further questions/observations as a follow on to my original post: 1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat or protein? It can’t be both?
Don’t forget you need to get a substantial portion of your day’s intake from veggies or salad. I haven’t replaced carbs with anything, particularly – I’m eating a LOT of veggies with smallish amounts of protein on the side, plus extra fats from things like almonds. 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a meal to make you feel full?
Eat veggies / salad first, and you won’t want too much protein. 3)When i said 2 small glasses of vodka in my original post, i guess that means in total about 150 ml at most- a can of coke is 330 ml, so that gives you some idea.I want to reiterate, that trying to lose a lot of weight by drinking alcohol is not a good idea, but is it so bad to use vodka for about a week or so to lose weight?
Low-carb is not a short-term diet, but a life-long committment. I think you’d be losing the plot if you used alcohol as a short-term tool like that. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have the occasional drink – I’m very attached to my nightly glass of wine – but it should be done in moderation! (and on top of that a lot of walking during the day).
Ah! Now there’s a good plan. Exercise alongside diet is key to a) losing and b) keeping it off. Hmmm – I sometimes take an apple along on a walk, because the walking burns up the extra carbs. I wonder if you could allocate yourself a shot of vodka every 2 miles or something without having to worry about it? Nicky. — A1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/77/72Kg 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004
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2% to 3% carbs is really impressive.
It’s not that hard to do on 2,000 to 2,500 calories a day. Although it’s probably easier to keep it around 3-5%. Myra
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|| HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very || short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no || longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have || these questions: || 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of || carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the || initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, || very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom || restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However || what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but || this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb || diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly || protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more || than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. || Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight || loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating || mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % || protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to || life-stress and comfort eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that || alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially || burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i || see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only || consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very || small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he || has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under || normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly || because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to || a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of || food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad || for weight loss? || I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % || against the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch || your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ || message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the || right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably || get flamed. || Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on || a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written || an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking || more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an || especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories || low. || Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual || nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in || weight loss. Please read one of the poplar low-carb diet books (Atkins, South Beach, Carbohydrate Addict’s Diet, the Zone, etc.) You have so many misconceptions about what a low-carb diet is — and entails — that I wouldn’t even know where to begin! — Peter Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo
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2% to 3% carbs is really impressive.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat or protein? It can’t be both? The "trick" to low carb is to 1) eat *moderate* protein, and 2) eat a lot of good fats. 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a meal to make you feel full? And I’ve read quite a few testimonies of people who’ve eaten large amounts of protein, and still lost quite a bit of weight. As I’ve said in another post on another thread, I divide my daily calories as follows: 2-3% carbs, 22-25% protein, 72-75% fat. Those percentages work for me, and I lost weight. But i hope at least one person can reassure me that vodka is not a catastrophic substance for weight loss. As long as your intake is moderate, and you make allowances for the calories in your daily plan, then it should be okay. OTOH, I’m a teetotaler, so what do I know? Myra
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fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a
This excerpt may help you learn why alcoholics may be thin and it certainly isn’t because the alcohol is directly resposible for making them lose weight, the weight loss is only one symptom of a fatal disease, (AIDS or cancer can make you skinny, too.) http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/9339/9717.html#symptoms Symptoms In its early stages, cirrhosis often has no symptoms. But as liver cells die, the organ makes less of the proteins that regulate fluid retention and blood clotting and loses its ability to metabolize the pigment bilirubin. The resulting symptoms and complications include: * Fatigue * Loss of appetite * Nausea and vomiting * Weakness * Weight loss * Fluid accumulation in the legs (edema) and abdomen (ascites) * Increased bleeding and bruising * Jaundice, a yellowing of the skin and eyes * Itching — No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating.
It basically will come down to how much you eat overall. If you burn more than you eat you will lose weight; low carb is an easy way to not eat so much, done right. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss?
Well, alcohol = 7 cals/gram, for contrast carbs are about 4 cals/gram. But a lot of the short term ‘bad effects’ with alcohol is where someone goes out and has ten pints and a curry; beer has a fair amount of calories over and above the alcohol, and the curry you then eat when too pissed to consider the consequences is not going to help you lose weight either. On the other hand, whatever problems you have right now are probably not as serious as the problems you might potentially have in five years when you are an alcoholic with impending liver failure. Drinking to try to cope with problems is a classic first step down that path. It may lead to pencil thin people, but that’s for much the same reason as heroin addicts losing weight, not eating because drinking comes first. Peter
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[snip] on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, [snip] Carbs should be replaced by fat, not protein.
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Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort
eating. Creating a CALORIC DEFICIT will cause you to lose weight, the type of food is irrelevant…carb/protein/fat 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat
Alcohol is not a good fuel source. It is a TOXIN to the body and is dealt with as such. Alcoholics are generally thin because they generally do not eat much.
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That’s very true. I’ve only been on one low-calorie diet in my life and have actually lost more "weight" on LC. I’m 8 pounds lighter now than I was after the low-calorie diet but I lost considerably more muscle mass on the low-calorie diet and ended up looking like a concentration camp survivor. That didn’t happen with LC. The trick is to determine what your LBM is. I follow Protein Power Lifeplan and they have a fairly simple set of calculations but I lent my book to someone so can’t look it up right now. That may be true with respect to losing "weight" but if you want to maximize fat loss and minimize lean body mass loss then you want to be sure you consume enough protein in your hypocaloric state. It is not clear exactly how much protein is needed to optimally reduce LBM loss but I imagine it is at *least* .5 grams of protein per pound LBM per day if not more.
—– Bev
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HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions:
crossposting troll alert alt.support.diet.low-carb, misc.fitness.weights, sci.med Lee Rodgers YMMV,FWIW,IDGAS Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org 24hr LC-CHAT http://www.lowcarb.org/parachat.html
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Lee Rodgers
Missed ya, babe! *smooches* Myra
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Hi all,thanks for the replies to my rather unusal questions. I was expecting at least some of you to flame me for asking the alcohol related weight loss question, but no one did. Thanks. Google groups can be very helpful and supportive to those seeking advice, but this can be ruined by the odd few who get their kicks out of mocking other peoples posts. I want to make some further questions/observations as a follow on to my original post: 1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat or protein? It can’t be both? 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a meal to make you feel full? And I’ve read quite a few testimonies of people who’ve eaten large amounts of protein, and still lost quite a bit of weight. 3)Something I find interesting,even from a purely scientific point of view, and I forgot to mention in my last post: Imagine there’s a person, not on a diet, and he’s slighlty over-weight.This person eats a normal,typical,unhealthy diet,mainly carbs.But during dinner he decides to eat mainly protein food,rather than carbs, even though the rest of his days diet was carbs, will that one good meal of protein cause him to lose more weight than if he had eaten the carbs? In other words, if a person normally eats,say 15% protein foods per day, but increases this to 25% protein, will that 10% increase cause weight loss, or will it not have much effect? 3)When i said 2 small glasses of vodka in my original post, i guess that means in total about 150 ml at most- a can of coke is 330 ml, so that gives you some idea.I want to reiterate, that trying to lose a lot of weight by drinking alcohol is not a good idea, but is it so bad to use vodka for about a week or so to lose weight? But i hope at least one person can reassure me that vodka is not a catastrophic substance for weight loss. I mean, the web sites i’ve read about alcohol and weight loss paint a very gloomy picture, mainly as to how,whilst alcohol does slightly raise the metabolic rate, this is off-set by the fact that the body uses the alcohol as a fuel,rather than the fat.Thereby reducing weight loss.However I really wnat to know if a person has, say about 8 or 9 pounds to lose, he could get away with drinking 2 small vodka glasses and eat well below the recommended 10,000 calories for a male per day (and on top of that a lot of walking during the day). Will the vodka really have a disastorous effect on the good work of eating much less (and what i intend to eat will almost be all protein) amd walking a lot? Or will it only have a mild negative effect on weight loss? Thanks again for reading my qustions and bye friends.
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| Hi all,thanks for the replies to my rather unusal questions. I was | expecting at least some of you to flame me for asking the alcohol | related weight loss question, but no one did. Thanks. Google groups | can be very helpful and supportive to those seeking advice, but this | can be ruined by the odd few who get their kicks out of mocking other | peoples posts. | I want to make some further questions/observations as a follow on to | my original post: | 1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to | replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone | mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat | or protein? It can’t be both? It’s fat, you need a base amount of protein to maintain muscles, likely between 80 and 120 grams a day depending on your size, if you have too much protein and very few carbs some portion of the protein will convert to glucose. Fat in combination with protein also satisfies appetite for a longer time than carbs or protein alone. | 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your | total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein | you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb | dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a | meal to make you feel full? And I’ve read quite a few testimonies of | people who’ve eaten large amounts of protein, and still lost quite a | bit of weight. On Atkins induction there are two weeks of eating as much protein and fat as you need to keep from being hungry. This is a period of converting your body to fat burning from carb burning and to break carb addictions. This doesn’t last. People who are very greatly overweight will continue to lose while eating a lot to a certain point. If they measured though, they would find that even though they think they are eating a lot, it is less in caloric content than their previous carb laced diet. | 3)Something I find interesting,even from a purely scientific point of | view, and I forgot to mention in my last post: Imagine there’s a | person, not on a diet, and he’s slighlty over-weight.This person eats | a normal,typical,unhealthy diet,mainly carbs.But during dinner he | decides to eat mainly protein food,rather than carbs, even though the | rest of his days diet was carbs, will that one good meal of protein | cause him to lose more weight than if he had eaten the carbs? In | other words, if a person normally eats,say 15% protein foods per day, | but increases this to 25% protein, will that 10% increase cause | weight loss, or will it not have much effect? No, a low carb diet puts the body in ketosis where it is burning fat instead of carbs. The carbs you eat the rest of the day will stimulate your appetite. It all boils down to taking in fewer calories than you burn, you can lose weight on any kind of diet as long as your calories are low enough. The difference with a low carb diet is you are less likely to be hungry all the time. | 3)When i said 2 small glasses of vodka in my original post, i guess | that means in total about 150 ml at most- a can of coke is 330 ml, so | that gives you some idea.I want to reiterate, that trying to lose a | lot of weight by drinking alcohol is not a good idea, but is it so | bad to use vodka for about a week or so to lose weight? | But i hope at least one person can reassure me that vodka is not a | catastrophic substance for weight loss. I mean, the web sites i’ve | read about alcohol and weight loss paint a very gloomy picture, | mainly as to how,whilst alcohol does slightly raise the metabolic | rate, this is off-set by the fact that the body uses the alcohol as a | fuel,rather than the fat.Thereby reducing weight loss.However I | really wnat to know if a person has, say about 8 or 9 pounds to lose, | he could get away with drinking 2 small vodka glasses and eat well | below the recommended 10,000 calories for a male per day (and on top | of that a lot of walking during the day). Will the vodka really have | a disastorous effect on the good work of eating much less (and what i | intend to eat will almost be all protein) amd walking a lot? Or will | it only have a mild negative effect on weight loss? | Thanks again for reading my qustions and bye friends. No one will lose weight on 10,000 calories a day–or do anything but gain–where did you get the idea that was a recommended amount. Rule of thumb for losing weight is 10 times body weight in pounds, i.e., 250 pounds, 2500 calories. Maintenance might be 12 times. Many people need to go lower than 10, this figure depends partly on how active you are. If you only have 8 or 9 pounmds to lose it will be hard to do. The closer you are to goal the harder it is to lose. It’s possible to drink alcohol and lose weight but most people think that daily alcohol is a waste of calories.
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Hi all,thanks for the replies to my rather unusal questions. I was expecting at least some of you to flame me for asking the alcohol related weight loss question, but no one did. Thanks. Google groups can be very helpful and supportive to those seeking advice, but this can be ruined by the odd few who get their kicks out of mocking other peoples posts.
This is *not* a google group. This is usenet or a newsgroup if you prefer. Google is how some people access newsgroups. I want to make some further questions/observations as a follow on to my original post: 1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat or protein? It can’t be both?
Can be, but it depends. Plans differ. What I’m following is a low carb/ adequate protein/make up the rest of the calories with fat plan. That means I keep my carbs to an appropriate level for me (not all that low) then figure out how much protein I need and eat that amount of protein. Whatever calories are left (with a fudge factor) should come from fat. If you’re presently eating enough protein, then you don’t need to increase it. However, if you’ve been following a low-fat diet, you may also have been shortchanging your body of protein and may want to increase that. 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a meal to make you feel full? And I’ve read quite a few testimonies of people who’ve eaten large amounts of protein, and still lost quite a bit of weight.
Depends. Metabolisms vary and of course how overweight you are will make a difference too. When I started low carbing, I could eat a pretty big steak plus a salad and lose weight. Now I need to eat smaller portions in order to maintain/lose. At the present, I can eat 5 oz of meat, plus a big helping of vegetables and feel satisfied. You should be able to eat enough protein (with vegetables) to make you feel satisfied but not stuffed. 3)Something I find interesting,even from a purely scientific point of view, and I forgot to mention in my last post: Imagine there’s a person, not on a diet, and he’s slighlty over-weight.This person eats a normal,typical,unhealthy diet,mainly carbs.But during dinner he decides to eat mainly protein food,rather than carbs, even though the rest of his days diet was carbs, will that one good meal of protein cause him to lose more weight than if he had eaten the carbs? In other words, if a person normally eats,say 15% protein foods per day, but increases this to 25% protein, will that 10% increase cause weight loss, or will it not have much effect?
Are we assuming the total calories remain constant? If so, the higher protein diet might result in *slightly* more weight loss, but I doubt it would be significant. 3)When i said 2 small glasses of vodka in my original post, i guess that means in total about 150 ml at most- a can of coke is 330 ml, so that gives you some idea.I want to reiterate, that trying to lose a lot of weight by drinking alcohol is not a good idea, but is it so bad to use vodka for about a week or so to lose weight?
Yes, using alcohol for the purpose of losing weight is a very bad idea. That isn’t to say that moderate alcohol consumption is incompatible with low carbing or any weight loss strategy, but if you’re drinking for the purpose of losing weight. . . not good. But i hope at least one person can reassure me that vodka is not a catastrophic substance for weight loss. I mean, the web sites i’ve read about alcohol and weight loss paint a very gloomy picture, mainly as to how,whilst alcohol does slightly raise the metabolic rate, this is off-set by the fact that the body uses the alcohol as a fuel,rather than the fat.Thereby reducing weight loss.However I really wnat to know if a person has, say about 8 or 9 pounds to lose, he could get away with drinking 2 small vodka glasses and eat well below the recommended 10,000 calories for a male per day (and on top of that a lot of walking
^^^^^^ What??? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were a top performance athlete. For men with normal activity levels the recommended calorie levels are somewhere in the 2000 range. during the day). Will the vodka really have a disastorous effect on the good work of eating much less (and what i intend to eat will almost be all protein) amd walking a lot? Or will it only have a mild negative effect on weight loss?
It comes down to calories. If you can afford the extra calories, and still be consuming less than you’re expending, you’ll lose weight. However, you may want to enter everything in fitday (www.fitday.com) for a few days, being scrupulously honest about portion sizes and actual amounts of activity. You may find that you aren’t burning as many calories as you think (an hour of brisk walking doesn’t burn as many calories as one might expect) and that you’re consuming more than you realized. Martha — Sig pending
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1)I am confused, i thought on a low carb diet you were supposed to replace the carbs you would normally eat with protien, but someone mentioned that you actually replace the carbs with fat.Which is it,fat or protein? It can’t be both?
The "trick" to low carb is to 1) eat *moderate* protein, and 2) eat a lot of good fats. 2)It was mentioned that the main thing that mattered was that your total calorie intake was reduced, and that if you eat too much protein you will not lose weight. However from all that i know about low carb dieting, i assumed that you could eat as much protein food during a meal to make you feel full? And I’ve read quite a few testimonies of people who’ve eaten large amounts of protein, and still lost quite a bit of weight.
As I’ve said in another post on another thread, I divide my daily calories as follows: 2-3% carbs, 22-25% protein, 72-75% fat. Those percentages work for me, and I lost weight. But i hope at least one person can reassure me that vodka is not a catastrophic substance for weight loss.
As long as your intake is moderate, and you make allowances for the calories in your daily plan, then it should be okay. OTOH, I’m a teetotaler, so what do I know? Myra
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@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating.
If you’re eating for comfort, you’ll fail. If you approach this whole thing as a loss, you’ll probably fail. Readjust your attitude. Low-carb has very little to do with weight loss, except that lots of high- carb foods are calorie-dense. So don’t sweat the carbs. Eliminate all the simple carbs to start with, then go on from there as you feel inclined. Come up with a few simple, tasty meals you can eat day in and day out and eat them. Don’t make eating an adventure or a comfort blanket. Choose a day a week when you relax the rules. Allow yourself one dessert a week on that day. Lift weights so the weight you lose won’t be as much muscle as fat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % against the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in weight loss.
Planning to go on a drinking binge doesn’t have much to do with health. Using alcohol to handle depression is stupid, and planning to use alcohol to handle depression is *really* stupid. Allot yourself a couple of drinks over the week and you’ll be fine. Hugh — Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.
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You are probably incorrect in assuming that eating low carb will cause depression, a lot of people find the opposite to be true. And you are NEVER supposed to eat 100% protein, you are supposed to get a good percentage of your calories from fat. Some people do find that just cutting out things like potatoes, pasta, rice and bread cause them to lose weight. It depends a lot on how much you have to lose and whether cutting these things out will reduce your overall calorie consumption enough. Low carb works mainly by reducing appetite–calories still count. And that is applicable to your alcohol question. The calories count and if you drink too much you may be tempted to eat something you shouldn’t or even more of something that’s okay. Alcohol really is a poor way to relieve stress even though lots of people do it. | HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very | short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer | continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these | questions: | 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of | carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the | initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very | stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the | carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can | manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back | will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let | me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my | intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i | should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly | proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the | carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I | mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days | some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort | eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for | weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before | the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics | who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of | vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he | will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which | means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol | consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to | it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering | whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of | vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? | I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % against | the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole | lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ message, but since | this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this | alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. | Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a | side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an | alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more | alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially | negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. | Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual | nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in | weight loss.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % against the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in weight loss.
You sure seem to have made up your mind what you are going to do in the negative sense. What the hell does the life situation around you have to do with your eventaul weight loss? make up your mind if you’re going to lose weight or blame everyone around you for what you are. — Perre This is probably the best advice you’ll ever get so think hard, buddy, think hard.
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Why dont you dont try working on the what is causing you all the stress in your life? Are you using alcohol and food to get you throught the stress? Are you a comfort eater and drinker? Simply removing or minimizing your stress can have a weight loss affect on you. Give up the booze too as it is a depressant so you may find consuming alcohol counterproductive in dealing with your depression. Laureen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % against the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in weight loss.
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HI all. I have been on a low carb diet before, but it was for a very short period of time, before events in my life meant I could no longer continue it. I want to try a low carb diet again, but I have these questions: 1)I don’t feel i can do a diet where i can eat a very small amount of carbs, day in day out.Even if this carb restriction is only for the initial phase of the diet. My life at the moment is, to be frank, very stressful and the depression which i will suffer rom restricting the carbs will make it unbearably stressful. However what i think i can manage is to severely cut-back on my carbs, but this cuttting back will not be as ’systematic’ as I read a low carb diet should be. Let me explain, i think i can manage to eat mainly protein foods, but my intake of carbs on some days will be way more than the small amount i should eat, according to the diet books. Will eating mainly proteins,with also some carbs still cause weight loss or, will the carbs completely negate the benefits from eating mainly protein? I mean, on some days i will eat almost 100 % protein, but on other days some carbs will creep in, due mainly to life-stress and comfort eating. 2)I have read on many web sites that alcohol is very bad for weight loss, since the body preferentially burns the alcohol before the fat.But is this really true? I mean, i see a lot of alcoholics who are pencil thin.If a person only consumes one or two glasses of vodka a day, and then eats a very small amount of food, surely he will lose weight, especially if he has a busy life schedule which means he walks about a lot? Under normal circmstances ,my alcohol consumption is very low, mainly because I have a strong aversion to it’s taste, but right now due to a stressful life, I am wondering whether eating a small amount of food and one or two small glasses of vodka is really all that bad for weight loss? I know my alcohol question is very unusal, and it’s goes 100 % against the ‘you need to change the way you eat for life, and watch your whole lifestyle, and not just go on a crash diet etc etc’ message, but since this is a free message board I feel I have the right to ask this alcohol question, even though I will ineviatably get flamed. Don’t get me wrong I don’t advocate an alcohol weight loss diet ( on a side note,with all the plethora of diets, has anyone ever written an alcohol diet?!), but for the period of time I will be drinking more alcohol than normal I wanted to know if it will have an especially negative effect on my diet, even if i keep my calories low. Thanks for reading this post and i hope you can over-look the unusual nature of my post and help me out.Bye my friends and companions in weight loss.
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) I had a sono yesterday, I am going to get the results this morning – hopefully. 
Elaine K – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How much weight should one look to lose a week at the max. 1-2 lbs, or is this to much. I have been working out and watching my points. Misty